iPhone & Apple Watch, Sonos vs. HomePod, WWDC 2018 | Macworld Podcast Ep. 609

iPhone & Apple Watch, Sonos vs. HomePod, WWDC 2018 | Macworld Podcast Ep. 609


welcome to the Macworld podcast I’m
Roman Loyola I’m here in studio with life Johnson with remotely joining us is
Michael Simon hi Mike a Roman a leaf I’m in Massachusetts
today like a storage closet the video people this is their office and the
person who worked here is no longer here so this is now like half storage half my
desk when I come in so sounds like office space the voice you hear is the
most important man in the room our video producer Dan muscle I am back he’s back
in case you missed baby we missed you guys we got him Lassie you guys are
supposed to be rough on him that was Taiwan Taiwan was good I was a copy Tex
she doing videos for PC world so yeah it was a good break cool the reason why I
always called Dan the most important man in the room B’s because he watches our
Twitter and YouTube feeds for comments and questions from you the viewer so
please let us know your feedback throughout the show dan will keep an eye
on that and then he’ll chime in when he sees a comment a question from you guys
so today we’re gonna talk about we’re gonna wrap up a little bit on WWDC which
was last week Apple’s Developers Conference we’re also gonna talk about
something that happened during WDC Sonos released a new product that competes
directly with the home pod but first we’re gonna talk about some iPhone and
Apple watch rumors particularly one that seems to be very persistent and I think
of us in the room we’re kind of leaves us scratching our head all the time we
hear it it drove Mike to write an article about
it saying what is wrong with you people it’s a rumor that the new iPhones will
have USB C so I forget who it was another Chinese news
went right that no I think it was digit time oh it’s digitized floated floated
the rumor yeah I got it from there they’re anonymous Taiwan supply chain
source that pipes up every now and again yeah saying that the new iPhones are
gonna have us BC well next year he said no that 20 in the next or they said next
year it’s gonna be I for us BC on the iPhone 2019 2019 so it could be 2029
it’s not happening yeah so us PC as everyone knows the current iPhones have
a lightning port and I every time I hear this rumor I keep thinking why would
Apple do it was because especially because from I think I understand from a
logistical standpoint us BC and its current implementation takes up a little
more space than lightning yeah there’s a physical space I mean we’re talking like
a millimeter by Apple that is like might as well be an inch right that’s precious
space yeah so and lightning works secure yeah lightning and USB are essentially
the same kind of I mean the same both can’t charge quickly with with the right
cord and the right adapter like they do the same things for different of devices
except that we use the Lightning port on that and that it that’s it right let’s
proprietary right we’re just adding more dongles mm-hmm yes yeah you’re adding
another cable to your bag that you need to carry with you that’s that’s the only
benefit and that would better that’s not a benefit no no that was like switching
that would be benefit so you don’t have to carry out a lightning cable anymore
but as we learned from the MacBook and the iPad and the iPhone and everything
else Apple releases Apple does not care about adding to our cable management
issues heavily invested in the Apple system yeah you know a lot of your stuff
requires you know lightning anyway ear pods even I mean all that stuff right
Lightning zone all that stuff and not to mention I didn’t write about this
but they make money off of lightning every time an accessory maker makes a
made for iPhone whatever it’s called that the MiFi stuff they get money right
so why would they change it there’s a licensing program people are aware yeah
so that’s a but that’s a why from why Apple does it but as you know users do
you guys think they should change it well I actually it’s like
inconsequential weather day it doesn’t inconvenience me one way or another has
it makes sense especially as we move towards wireless charging that makes me
go wow good thing that they’re doing it I mean honestly I could go either way
yeah as someone who carries around Android phones almost met almost every
day I have an Android phone and sometimes I had an iPhone or iPad to
that mix it would make my life a little bit more convenient but you’re not an
outlier of that those people aren’t carrying around iOS devices and Android
devices they have one or the other and they’re fine with it on you tense
chloral says why not get rid of all the ports the feature is Wireless that’ll
happen eventually yeah it’ll take a number of years
because I think lightning will be with us until that port that charging port is
gone completely you know my god can you imagine the uproar that’s going to explode and there are still cases where
it’s nice to you know hook up your iPhone or any other device you know to a
PC a Mac you know and and do stuff directly through there as opposed to
wireless and even more so than charging I think that’s one of the reasons
completely cars there’s uses for it other than just charging or a set of
headphones yeah you know there certainly you know accessories that quite quiet
but you know people still love their wired headphones yeah and I think
lightning is with us for you know this isn’t gonna happen next year or I didn’t
think it’s at least five to ten years that were stuck with lightning right
they’re not gonna just one day say and this is the iPhone 12 and guess what you
have to have wireless charging over you’re at a locker it’s a it almost
feels like a generational thing yeah you know we have to eventually essentially
die off because you know there’ll be a younger generation that’s that’s used to
not using all these cables and wires and stuff and wireless charging needs to be
a lot more you know our cars we need to have it you know all over the place
before we can get rid of charging cable the restaurant buses whatever it is
because money they need to be charging pads or charging and everywhere we go
right now everyone makes that sound like it’s super convenient you know the
wireless charging but in true if you know you know it’s almost like you have
to have this special place set up for it and you know a little flat space it is
still more convenient as well right and it’s slow right like didn’t Starbucks
for a while try to incorporate wireless charging as like in the tables but you
have a big thing a little while ago yeah I think even at some point they even
like provided dongles that you could use and I remember like going to the Maya
local Starbucks all they the only doggles they ever had was like the
30-pin connector in the new Hyundai’s and maybe the Tesla’s I don’t remember
but they have like the little accessory tray it’s a wireless charging pad you
can throw your phone down there it’ll charge like that’s that’s cool and
that’s convenient but that’s few and far between wireless charging is an absolute
luxury for most people right right yeah so I have a question question do you
guys all have you guys predict this will there be an even smaller cable or will
is this the last one a smaller connector yeah lightning yeah you know I don’t
know a good question I’m not educated in the technicalities of lightning like
what each why there are how many connectors are on it five there’s like
the content so you sign so it’s eight pins I don’t know what the technology
shakaal linen implementation of that is so and you know how if that can be
reduced down even further so I think yeah I mean it’ll be like a headphone
jack haha I think that’s the thinnest I can get it probably how hilarious would
that be I don’t think Apple would go through another change like that unless
it was massive like the 30-pin to lightning was huge those those things
were you know in comparison monsters I don’t think so we’re talking about
what a half a millimeter that they would shave off to get unless they can get
it’s like paper-thin where you’re just where I mean even then like I just don’t
I don’t see it I think we’re lightning will be around
until it’s not right yeah at that point if you like you know having the size of
lightning why not just go yeah right what’s the you’re gonna make everyone
get all these adapters and dials for what you know what’s the what’s the end
game there now the main argument in favor of it I guess you would say you
know especially with the Mac is Apple has been stronger than anybody or trying
to force us PC people I think they should include lightning to USB C cables
and adapters in the box yeah absolutely but I don’t think they need to put it on
both ends I was telling Roman and I don’t even I’ve seen this I got some
sketchy info from somebody I said we might see USB C on the iPad pro because
he was in Shenzhen recently and looking around there and be like I mean the the
argument can be made that it makes more sense on the iPad pro but I don’t I
don’t I don’t see it happening there either yes on YouTube Talman says I
think reducing the number of different cable types would be beneficial I’m
totally on the side of reducing the amount of options and I have question is
when you guys got your iPhone tens did it have on like the charger side was
that USB C or USB type a it’s still USB C they haven’t changed it yet at least
in the box they do make it they sell you lightning to USB C cable on the store
for $20 thanks it wasn’t there another rumor that Apple
was switching the iPhone adapter to USB see yeah I could see that I could see
that definitely laptops are already like that right like that but if you buy a
USB charger you don’t get a plug or or vice versa I forget what it is but they
don’t like when you buy the power brick mm-hmm you don’t get a USBC cable with
it it’s weird yeah yeah so I mean I’m sorry USB CC well you don’t get anything
but you don’t get a USB cable with whatever I’m saying they make you buy an
extra yes yeah chloral on you too on Twitter’s asking why do you love being
attached to so many cables Mike I don’t know if I love it what I’m saying and
I’m not arguing that Apple shouldn’t do it I’m saying they won’t do it I would
love it if they do it cuz I would have I can get rid of all my lightning cables
I’m not saying I don’t want them to I don’t think I’d from a business
standpoint it makes any any logical sense for Apple to change their
philosophy over the last 20 years Apple does what Apple does proprietary or no
because they want to they don’t think about the implications of you carrying a
bunch of cables in your pack they don’t care right and if they did otherwise
they would they put more ports on a man on Twitter and light and says I want my
firewire back yeah it was like like 400 megabits a second or whatever and that
was just like the bed like the song at the time it seemed like they were just
lightning fast I guess but it’s like right if you hooked one up with that
right now it’s like glacial yeah I didn’t know the ipod came out with a
firewire option yeah the original iPod I don’t know a big old fire were poor
right at the top yeah it was huge yeah and it can be used it as a target disk
for a Mac – it was a hard drive ever yeah because there’s essentially an
external hard drive I wish I still had when I traded it in
back back then comp II which they had a had a program where you could pay five
dollars or whatever it was and they let you upgrade every year to a new iPod
because it was treated as a hard drive uh-huh until verse till version three
and then they stopped doing it but I fight for the first three years I got I
got a ID was able to upgrade to a new iPod just by trading in my old one was
excellent but we digress well speaking of the iPhone we recently had a contest
for the current for current iPhone 10 users mm-hmm we had a join for some
iPhone 10 cases life can you tell us about the cases and yeah these are cases
that speaking came out there having an IndieGoGo campaign well it’s not really
a campaign it’s basically you know that’s the way you buy them so don’t
think of it like crowdfunding in the sense that we’re gonna you know forgive
enough money gonna make this no they’re already making them on sending them out
but they actually it was so popular that they started making some for the iPhone
8 and 8 plus 2 but when we were first told about it it was only the iPhone 10
so we got you know some of these cases for review and we’re you know we’re
giving them away and so the ones you know we gave out the Bondi blue one a
couple of weeks ago that was the really cool one or you know that’s the iconic
color but this one you know we have the snow which is basically white with a
little bit of Ponte blue trim I think it’s charcoal excuse-me
Graphite’s and you have ruby and then you have sage and the winners of these
are because we did this contest last week during WWDC week that would be and
it’s funny there there’s there’s four winners because it four different cases
I will be sending these out randomly so you get what color you get but three of
the winners were from the LA area and what evam was from up here so we did not
plan them all to be from California but that’s so one is Michael Hess that’s not
Mike here one is MK when is Eric W and when is Allenby so yes congratulations
guys I’ll be sending out I would be sending
some emails today for your address and we’ll try to get these out today so I
have a quick question because those are kind of on the like the thicker more
protective style yes um where do you guys stand on quesadilla like the ultra
thin or do you like they’re very stylish I want a little bit of leather or
woodgrain I like fin you know I would I would be
one of those people that could go you know I want to go and without a case on
my iphone but I can’t I I see so many people around San Francisco walking
around without cases on their phone I don’t know how they do it there’s so
much richer than I am so I like the really thin cases what 49 bucks to fix
it right it’s okay yeah your case that’s right I have a
bunch of different phones that I use that I never I mean well now I can’t
because I don’t have enough money to buy cases for all these phones but for my
main phone I don’t I don’t use cases I don’t I don’t like I just don’t like him
it’s too slippery I’m too much of a blur I broken I’ve broken more than my share
of iPhones in my day but I don’t care it’s not even just breaking it like the
other day I was taking photos of the sea lions over at pier 39 and I was like
terrified I was gonna drop the phone into water I was like thank God I had
this grippy case I tend to I ordinarily would not use a case but now that I have
a car magnetic car mount hmm I don’t want to put the metal plate on the phone
itself hmm so I’d like to tend towards a
thinner case also the iPhone 10 I find a little more slippery than usual I don’t
know glass so and you know since I’m often walking with my phone in my hand
down the street I don’t want it to slip out of my hand so I try to use a thinner
hard case so Mike like me photo because when I bought my iPhone I bought a case
that was four dollars use it a four dollar case to particular $1000 iPhone
and I still use that case I actually have bought like a different another
case but it was a super inert case that I got when I was at the Great Wall of
China oh yeah big old dragon on yours down with the case that I use every day
it has the metal plate for my car mount is the $4 case because the thing is at
the time nobody had really released their cases yet because the phone hadn’t
been out yet so I just bought it was $4 I was like if it fits it’s a you know
good temporary case for what a good one comes out and it ends up I still use it
so so I’m waiting for I’m waiting for one Apple has a new manufacturing
process and they make glass feel like a like matte aluminum again yeah and on
YouTube Talman says I like the phone naked but I’m too afraid to break it so
goes with a thin case yeah Coral says I baby my iPhone X like a
piece of jewelry so its pristine I don’t know if that means Coral stores it in a
diaper and enlightens has miss my old speck that looked like a car tire that
was a cool I actually I think I had that case for a while too it was a pretty
cool case it was kind of bulky though so what I think that was at the time when
you know phones were only four inches so it wasn’t that big a deal so so Dan was
asking about the case so yeah if you’re watching a video stream here they’re
here this is one of them this is the sage one and as you can see it does have
that kind of bulky you know 1999 look so but you know it is it is very tough if
you’re watching I was a little afraid of this but the fact that you pieces yeah
it’s a three pieces actually that’s the three-peat
but once the phone is actually on there this thing doesn’t go anywhere so that
that’s the thing if you get it don’t you know judge it on this cuz I actually
struggled to get it off the phone when I was using Romans so so yeah there’s that
yeah those are cool I mean they’re there’s a kitchen estádio factor to it
but they’re they’re pretty cool I checked him out when I was in San
Francisco they showed me and I dig it so Jeff speaking so I’m sorry Mike just
wanted to so we’re just moving on to other rumors there was also the an Apple
watch rumor that a source told Fast Company a reporter a
fast company that Dean next is it the next Apple watch or an update series for
I guess it would be yeah will no longer have mechanical buttons now they’ll
still have buttons but it’s similar to what the iPhone 8 I believe has yes
where it’s not really a right well you know it’s not a button that you press
down it’s more like that’s true right the rumor was that it would all be like
the hose those forced touch type things right like a home run yeah now see one
of the reasons I’m excited about this is because I read this story about how all
these people are accidentally calling 9-1-1 because they hold down that side
button on their Apple and they just you know when if there’s no actual buttons
there it’s just a tap I think people will be more familiar off the tap
instead of like hmm let me see let me hold you on this button and see what it
does because it’s better for water resistance you know it’s better for
break ability if we could go back to the iPod again remember the first couple has
the wheels actually spun around oh yes right and I think version three or maybe
one of them I think it was the third one where they released a solid solid state
scroll wheel and everyone said well how’s that gonna work and it was just
like amazing how it just turned it into a little touch pad and I’m down with
this rule I I wouldn’t mind the digital crown and the buttons being you know
solid state and not having to have any moveable parts and they do so well with
haptic feedback I know my dad with his iPhone yeah I cannot convince him that
the home button doesn’t actually I’ve been playing around with the HD C’s you
a new phone that the you 12 plus and they came out with solid state buttons
and it is just a disaster I mean it’s it’s really we take it for granted but
it is it is hard to get that right to trick your brain into thinking you’re
using something that’s not really there and you’re right Apple just nails it
from the trackpad on the MacBook to the home
i phone it they they get haptics and that you know that feedback right so
perfectly and I’m not concerned at all about the Apple watch if this is true it
would feel just like it does that would be a good move for the Apple watch
perfect I think so too elf says the rumor is that the crown
will stopped her it’ll rotate just a button okay yeah it’s just the button
beneath it so next I want to see the crown be solid-state as well where it’s
just uh you just you just move your finger around it yeah Toby if only Apple
could you know figure out a way to make a good keyboard it could be a lot of
haptic buttons what they could you imagine if they did like a haptic
keyboard that would be like the insane and probably super expensive Taryn
it would probably be horrible yeah I bet they have a prototype somewhere I don’t
know I can’t stand the current butterfly keys well you know I’m working on
another project and I required a macbook pro 13 inch and I’ve been doing most of
my work on a 15-inch MacBook Pro and this one this 13 inches a couple years
older and you know I asked Roman if we had won’t you let me have it I said oh
my god I love this thing and it was just like the words flow who did everything
it was just like be such a better experience over my 15 inch ena and this
is an older model and it’s just I have to admit that that was one of the first
time how that it hit me that you know the modern 15-inch
butterfly is not what it should be because it was just it was a slight
entering heaven yes yes so they’ll be interesting to see upcoming for the
upcoming Apple watch so moving on to our next time I have no
segways this week it’s like we were going it over for over a topic sagai oh
my god how am I gonna do these segues for this but moving on to our next topic
that’s the segue last week during WWDC Soto’s actually had a press event that
life went to and they released a new product life could you tell us a little
bit more about what what you saw and yes the sun esteem and you know it’s
basically it you know if you’re being it’s a soundbar goes up underneath your
TV but the idea is basically you know um you can put it anywhere but that’s where
it’s meant to go but you know the very nice thing is is that it’s just a lot of
what Apple you know what we would think or they would hope that you know Apple
was trying to do if the home pod you know you can put play music from it and
then importantly you can you know play it from many other things it’s gonna
support airplay – believe it or not Apple was mentioned a lot at this event
they were really playing their buddies yes and so it was playing up airplay –
you know they they incorporated Siri into the you know and they show how
easily you could switch from Siri to Alexa eventually Google assistants gonna
be supported but they said they’re gonna be some kind of special event so you
could just say Alexa and and then hey Siri and it just recognizes yes that’s
awesome yeah so made they did that in the stage and they did that in a
demonstration room so it was no no tricks it actually worked so it was that
that was you know that was one of the things that’s really impressive and sad
thing is the Siri support you know will come in a later update but in but
fortunately I believe it comes out on July 17th and they said it’ll still come
out in July so we’re talking like a week here it’s not like you know three months
or something so but but it was it was really good I we you know I was like
yeah but how does it sound and it sounded wonderful I yeah well so knows I
have a host on awesome theatre in my house with a play bar and back speakers
and the subwoofer and man it’s it’s fantastic yes and no every
you know he was was impressed and you know and it supports the airplay – you
know you can add it the other speakers other similar speakers throughout the
house as it goes and it was so nice you know they were pointing to just hold
down the the button on top of the summit of speakers and boom it’s added to it
and suddenly you have a whole room full of this and it’s like this is seems you
know make it seem so simple why couldn’t it have Apple right out of the box with
the home pod and it wouldn’t cost thee it costs the same yes it cost a little
bit more yes but it’s 399 bit yes and so yeah that’s another thing everybody’s
always talking about the price of the home pod home pod so expensive well you
know the this is a you know a comparable device but as I said in my own article
it justifies that price by giving you these options it allows you to use
different voice assistance that you know it works with your TV there is an actual
HDMI port on this so knows being so the fact you know it plugs right into your
TV as long as it supports you know you know that’s a new yes that’s the the
playboy doesn’t have HDMI he goes do optical yes and that’s a new feature so
basically you know your your son as being becomes your TV speakers and it’s
it’s really wonderful sound and especially when they start adding all
the other speakers around the room and stuff and say and then you get this idea
of how great the home pod would’ve work to perfect it you know immediately if I
mean what if happen would have just just teamed up with Sonos and these the I
don’t know whatever you’ll call it mm-hmm
but you know the the Sonos beam plus Apple like that would have sold like
crazy yes it’s you know it’s just the more companies come out whether it’s a
Google home max or this new so noise or even sonís this the son was one mm-hmm
that was a 200 bucks it just shows you just how unprepared Apple was for this
space yes I mean they’re just they’re just underwater compared with their
competitors I think and you know it’s great that this product exists I just
think apples should I think I should embrace it yes I think they should
feature it in Apple stores and the nice thing is is one thing that was real they
were using an iPad Mini the whole time to control the music and no matter
where we were I thought it was interesting that they’re using an iPad
now they’re the one who bought who buys the iPad Mini exactly but you know it
wasn’t one of the you know Samsung it wasn’t one of those presentations were
you know the competitors get all hostile towards Apple and that’s one of the
things that always turns me off Apple doesn’t do that but everybody else seems
like they have to pick them no this is this is very complimentary it was like
look this works with Siri look not a competitor they need Apple users I would
bet our have for their pet their half their private clients so I agree but I’m
just saying like the home pod was like a direct competitor and there you know
this was you know there are other people I mean you used Google products on
iphone but they still take swipes at apples that’s different yeah I’m just
saying yeah it’s yeah I know I get it yeah it’s I mean apples apples at the
top you know you you take swings at the person at the top but but so knows some
so knows an apple or so notes I think needs Apple to to really kind of thrive
I guess what I’m trying to say is here’s a system that you can use with your own
you know Apple devices and everything and look how well it works you know
we’re not you know trying to force you over to something else or anything like
this you know they were showing you know they really put they played up the
openness and they show and I think that’s the thing is they showed that
openness working together and everything actually works very well and it it’s you
know being able to use Spotify be just just that the easiest whim knows is
separate set up and everything yeah and it was it was wonderful to see that in
action and especially with using Apple music it was you know it was like oh wow
look at their you could do this and then you could switch to Spotify immediately
and you know and that was one of the the big things too and like I said you have
the the TV you know functionality and it was it was a it was a wonderful the
wonderful experience and I like that it was very low key in a lot of ways
because they let the product do the speaking basically on you too on Twitter
Alfa’s asking the Sonos sound beam support dolby atmos that’s I do not know okay I do know there are
other products do not mm-hmm but I don’t know I didn’t I didn’t look at I didn’t
dive into the specs of the beam my guess is is probably not though I don’t know
for sure you would think it should especially because it’s a bar and then
we go under your TV so you would think that because it’s I guess it seems like
it’s made for home theater the bar design lends it to a home theater yeah
you would think that um no see I’m looking it up and I’m trying to talk at
the same time and yeah they don’t say what are they off it looks like it says
no no that’s possible but not right for new being speaker no so yeah yeah I mean
they can always add that in the software update just like I will do with Apple TV
yes so so no it isn’t and it doesn’t support Google assistant yes they taught
did they mention any they said they were gonna be making us they’re gonna be
having a special event for it and and that was basically all they said about
it but it is coming that’s all I know so one one device that that supports all
three assists yeah that’s pretty awesome yes it’s pretty crazy so just which
assistant DS but yeah it’s interesting I always wondered why maybe they made an
attempt but and it never went anywhere why Apple didn’t just buy so no so it
seems I mean do have them in rumors that they tried I don’t know I don’t recall
any rumors but you know it it just seems like there are things sort of similar
type yeah they do customer bases you know there and that kind of ease of use
and pretty hard work right but after looking at beam and versus home I’m glad
it so yeah and that’s what I was thinking that’s that’s yeah there’s
there’s some times when you gotta be happy when Apple didn’t yeah do you do
you know when the beam is going to start shipping July 17th yeah as a firm date
nice it’s not like oh this is coming out in the fall or something yeah and again
Apple Siri airplay to support will come out sometime in July as well and so it’s
so I don’t Mike Brown over at Tech I will do a review yeah of it so it’ll
probably post it on our site so look out for that you know in a month or two or
yeah hopefully in about a month so anyways moving on because I have no
segways like last week was WWDC yoga game today I have a little off my game
so we talked we did a wrap-up of we talked about WWC last week but you know
just kind of wanted to wrap it up this week about you know now that information
is out there and it’s kind of settled and you know the Developers Conference
was all week so there was stuff that came out after the event so if any
viewers if our viewers have any comments or questions about WWDC let us know if
you guys have any lasting impressions about WWDC so you know let us know what
you guys think the one thing that I was kind of I was disappointed that there
was no hardware because I’m kind of a hardware guy but at the same time I also
felt like Apple really need to focus on the software at this time around yes I
was I was kind of hoping that sometimes this happens where Apple does an event
and then the next day something gets released that they didn’t announce at
the event and it’s usually like a laptop upgrade or something like that and I
thought that maybe what happened this time but that actually didn’t happen so
that was it was a little disappointing I think we’ll see something yeah we’ll see
something soon yeah especially sister before the iPhone I think there’ll be
something that comes out whether it’s there whether it is the peers on their
website one morning but will they’ll do something between now and then yeah
you know now that it’s the summer and back-to-school is gonna be coming up
soon sooner than later so yeah so people will be buying laptops it’d be a good
opportunity for Apple to release a laptop you know there are new processors
out there’s the Canyon I think it’s called Canyon Lake
I always forget them yeah yeah so it’d be nice to see a new MacBook with a
canyon like processor yeah so and I could see that happening I always hate
summer releases for the product stuff but but yeah I could see that happening
before the fall so yeah I mean apples gonna need to have some laptops with six
cores I think yeah because I it’s I mean I’m not that familiar with the PC
available what’s available on the PC side are there six core yeah yeah on the
larger gaming ones they’ve been available and they’re starting to come
out in the in the smaller ones but yeah like for pro users mm-hmm yes I’ll be
nice you know it’d be plus I think the public beta of iOS and Mac OS is gonna
be coming out sooner – so it begins on June yeah so it would be really cool to
run you know Mojave on a new MacBook just you know yes that feeling of
freshness so just to see what it looks like I’d like to run dark mode on a new
got a new MacBook that would be cool Space Gray
yeah Space Gray yeah I’m actually starting to salivate over that at least
you can get the Space Gray keyboard in my dad’s chew for $20 premium there
anything anything your that you saw during WWE see that you guys are kind of
looking forward to just to get your hands on now developers
right now have access to the betas of all the OSS so you have to be a
developer unfortunately none of us in the room are signed up as developers
yeah I didn’t I didn’t down on your books yeah
so it’s actually not that expensive to sign up as a developer it’s only Mike
said it’s $100 it’s an annual fee yeah yeah so you used
to be a UH nanos per operating system but they change that a fires back you
know Wow so so yeah I’m looking forward to dark mode and I’m actually kind of
looking forward to even though I probably won’t use it I’m looking
forward to walkie talkie I watch progress yeah because the only people
that I like none of my friends or family have Apple watch it sounds like workers
and people on the street that I see with Apple watches that was like when when
they watch first came out digital touch thing like I had no one to do yeah it’s
so weird I do actually see so many people on the streets here with Apple
watches but when did it you know aside from us when it comes to people actually
know having one is like yeah that’s weird I am looking forward to using like
the the stacks feature and Mac OS that’s one thing I’m looking forward to I got
out there I’m still on Sierra on my Mac here
oh I skip to High Sierra alcohol together well that’s the other thing
that I’m hesitant about upgrading my home Mac to Mojave because I have like
two or three really old apps that are 32-bit well they still work there’s
still another year those that’s true there’s still another year but it’s just
this you know I’m like when they’re not under development anymore
so I you know I’m wondering what app is that old that you still use so
okay I have this the one off the top of my head it’s it’s really stupid I have
this old verbatim what is it it’s like a shared hard drive mm-hmm that it’s on my
network you know I just use it to store files the problem is like you have to
for some reason or another it’s gotten so clunky over the years that I can’t
just connect to it through the finder anymore I have to use the verbatim
software to connect to it so this sounds like you just gotta upgrade that and get
rid of your zip this yeah are using jazz drives and zip drives and you’re like oh
I still need my the software to connect to them this is a verbatim
it’s a verbatim it was what’s it called an ass product that they put out a long
time ago and see I like to use devices until like I can’t I’m not supposed to
use them right here you know until I you know until I basically quit on me and
also it’s the idea that I have these redundant backups of my of like
especially like my photos at home so I use this as a it’s it’s it’s like my
third or fourth backup it’s not even vital to my workflow yeah
for backups from actually I actually have six backups of my photos so hard to
hard drive it’s called the clouds well okay so more information than you needed
to know for some reason or another like the photos from my childhood are kind of
gone oh so I don’t know what happened to them because because of the family
logistics don’t you know I won’t go into that and you’ve made it your mission so
because I no longer have those photos I’ve actually regained I actually found
some of those photos but there’s there’s like a huge gap so because of that I
feel like you know you know I I’m very conscious of like
backing up my photos for my kids in my life and you know future generations for
posterity family posterity if your Filipino Wolverine yes so I have two
hard drives I have two online backups and then I have actually have two
network storage device oh my god I think I think you’re doing overkill I admit it
is total overkill it is total overkill but at the same time I mean I remember
the pain yeah the pain of those missing photos lingers I’m gonna say that the
pain that you have I fell of having so many backups is probably you know all
the incra it that happens all the time is probably adding up to that same it’s
not that big a deal to doing it it all happens in the background so I know
that’s good I mean yeah next week’s contest if
anyone could hack it’s definitely I think a topic that is not talked about
enough yes is how we backup you know our photos because every like email so many
people like my parents have it probably on just their phone right you know
things like my white yeah well as long as you have that iCloud photo library
turned on it’s at least somewhere yeah but then most people have filled that up
already and unless you’re paying for that expanded story yeah the apple
doesn’t count that against your five gigs okay that’s all your call your
photos are covered are you sure I seems like that’s most of my room on there no
I’m pretty sure that they don’t I think maybe I’m completely off-base on that
but maybe they I know at one point there didn’t I don’t think that photos count
no shocker that would be a double check me yes I’m gonna have to and if they do
if I’m wrong I don’t think well Amazon doesn’t these are Google
photos lets you have unlimited compressed photos rar not unlimited full
res you know photos are so great they’re so great yeah I mean I they I have my
local machine I have an AZ and then I back up to Google photos and because I
have Amazon Prime they give unlimited photo storage
uncompressed so those are my I mean I think I’m doing overkill I think one
cloud and you know the nads and the local is plenty people should just have
to I think and cloud like I said I’m compensating for some childhood but I
also wonder it’s like you know Steve Jobs thing is kind of I don’t want to
make give it a dark turn right but like like if I died right all my photos would
kind of just be lost right because you know where that yeah that’s one of the
reasons why I have these multiple backups is because if I if when I die it
they can find him somehow that’s going in your will it’s like number one delete
my history photos are so right so I mean how does lose the WWDC so anyways it’s
about the 32-bit support so I use this verbatim as Drive for some reason I mean
trying to connect through the finder is very wonky it doesn’t work all the time
so I have so I use this app that works all the time and it’s a 32-bit app and
verbatim doesn’t support this product anymore so it could be also time to just
give up that drive but like I said I liked it you know I have a stack of
internal drives that I’ve collected over the years you know some of them only
like 250 gigabytes but I can’t bring myself to throw them away because it’s
like I could store something on here right so anyways yeah yeah anyone check
me and I am I wrong on on Apple’s thing so I have
I think I would have to poke around some more to the look so someone started
calling me and I was like new if anyone audience knows for sure I feel like they
would be touting that more unlimited photo storage do count against I just
looked just I know when it first came out there was something that it was a
big deal that it didn’t count against your 5 gigs but they must uh it must
have to demo it must have been something very specific coming from the person who
is saying oh yeah Apple wants to make all that money and then make you do all
like bend over backwards and now you’re saying like yeah they just give you free
storage no to Roman I’m going to research and find out what the heck I’m
talking I’m remembering from somewhere I’ve been paying for iCloud storage 200
years for 2-3 dollars a month for awhile so I guess I never noticed it when this
thing started there was something that was that didn’t count against your your
your space I will find out what it is it was it was phone numbers as many phone
numbers yeah well that note that just about does
it for this week’s episode of the macro podcast episode 609 yep so next week we
should be on our regular Wednesday 10:00 a.m. Pacific schedule so thanks for
those watching who adjusted their schedules accordingly to join us we
appreciate it but next week we’ll be back Wednesday 10:00 a.m. Pacific mm-hmm
which is 1:00 p.m. Eastern I forget if Hawaii is 2 or 3 hours oh I don’t know
because they don’t do daylight savings time like oh and just to just real quick
it’s it was commented that Apple photostream does not
and what I’m thinking all right that’s something Apple photostream doesn’t see
I’m not an idiot I felt clown photo library Apple
photostream it’s just all kind of confusing so it’s apples fall they’re
having so many different streams cross the streams
but yeah join us next week where we’ll talk about the latest Apple news and
issues that have come up like to thank life I think Mike in Massachusetts I can
be the next contact where is Mike and I also like take down our producer Thank
You Danny always welcome and like to thank you the audience thanks for
joining us join us next week Wednesday is at 10:00 a.m.
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Dereck Turner

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